We continue our search for the real Jesus. We looked at the history of how we got the Bible. We had the results of our first text challenge, as we asked the "buddy Jesus", the "Gnostic Jesus" and the "real Jesus" a question during the week.
At table groups, at the end of the evening, this was what was discussed.
What questions would you like to ask Jesus if he was sitting here with your table group?
When will the world end? Did they translate the bible right? What do you think of the biblical doodles? What do you think of people who warp your words? Was Peter serious when he claimed he didn’t know you? What do you think of Da Vinci code? Would you bless me? How do you feel knowing that you would be betrayed? We would be so awe-struck we probably would not ask any questions. Would you like a muffin? What is God’s plan for my life? How are you able to love everyone? Why did some not believe when they saw the miracles that you did? Why didn’t God make more sons? Why are your eyes so penetrating? Why do they appear like they are seeing all my thoughts? Do you love me as you say you do? Why was Mary Magdalene so prominent as one of the women that we hear about? How do you feel about your Church today? Paul would like to know when he will die? Why so much confusion…why not be more simple?
What words would you use to describe Jesus?
Saviour, human and divine, friend, mine, hippie(peace), father, loving. Alive. Accessable (through truth of the bible). Better than the bunny! Denied 3 times! Saviour, patient with non believers, and healer. Real, righteous, reliable, and interested right where we are. Saviour, closest friend, dependable, miracle worker and story teller. Forgiving, healer, friend and lover. A vine. Non-mythical. Inspirational. Divine, trustworthy, the word, holy, Man, human God, heavenly.
Tuesday, March 18, 2008
Sunday, March 9, 2008
Grow through searching for the real Jesus
This week we went searching for the real Jesus. We looked at the Gnostic gospels, the history of how we got our Bible and the implications of the orthodox Christian claim that Jesus is both fully human and fully divine. The evening generated the following (excellent) table discussions.
What questions would you like to ask Jesus if he was sitting here with your table group?
What he thinks of the 4 gospels. Did he think gospels were accurate/faithful/authentic? Is he comfortable with the Nicene God? What he would do with gnostic gospels? Frame them ……them, ignore them? Why is it hard to preach an Incarnation? Did Jesus enjoy being on earth? What was it like being human and divine? Burden or joy? Did you feel different as a boy growing up? To the other kids?
Did you have play mates? What do you think about the bible? Is it what you said? Is it what you’d say now? What his childhood memories were. Was he always aware that he was God’s son? When did it become so strongly apparent? Why did he choose those particular people to be his disciples? Why did he choose Judas Iscariot if he knew he was going to betray him? What did God say to him when he left heaven to be born on earth? Did it hurt as the nails went through your hands? How much? Did you fall in love with a young lady when you were in your teens? Did Satan tempt you with marriage?
Did you celebrate your birthday? Why was it necessary to have Judas betray you?
What did you look like? Are you an ancestor of Keith Green? Exactly how politically radical were you? Who are you who stands with the poor and broken hearted people? Jesus, while you were on earth in your human form did you have full memory of your heavenly existence prior?
What words would you use to describe Jesus?
A father, An appreciator of fine perfume, An appreciator of foot massages, Retreat important, human, divine, patient, present, healer, friend, contemplative, In the spotlight, Human, Brave, kind, relied on, loving helpful, understanding, perfect, beware!, Kind, real, dusty footed, sharing a quiet wine with his friends
What questions would you like to ask Jesus if he was sitting here with your table group?
What he thinks of the 4 gospels. Did he think gospels were accurate/faithful/authentic? Is he comfortable with the Nicene God? What he would do with gnostic gospels? Frame them ……them, ignore them? Why is it hard to preach an Incarnation? Did Jesus enjoy being on earth? What was it like being human and divine? Burden or joy? Did you feel different as a boy growing up? To the other kids?
Did you have play mates? What do you think about the bible? Is it what you said? Is it what you’d say now? What his childhood memories were. Was he always aware that he was God’s son? When did it become so strongly apparent? Why did he choose those particular people to be his disciples? Why did he choose Judas Iscariot if he knew he was going to betray him? What did God say to him when he left heaven to be born on earth? Did it hurt as the nails went through your hands? How much? Did you fall in love with a young lady when you were in your teens? Did Satan tempt you with marriage?
Did you celebrate your birthday? Why was it necessary to have Judas betray you?
What did you look like? Are you an ancestor of Keith Green? Exactly how politically radical were you? Who are you who stands with the poor and broken hearted people? Jesus, while you were on earth in your human form did you have full memory of your heavenly existence prior?
What words would you use to describe Jesus?
A father, An appreciator of fine perfume, An appreciator of foot massages, Retreat important, human, divine, patient, present, healer, friend, contemplative, In the spotlight, Human, Brave, kind, relied on, loving helpful, understanding, perfect, beware!, Kind, real, dusty footed, sharing a quiet wine with his friends
Sunday, December 23, 2007
grow in christmas cheer week 3
At Grow in Christmas cheer 3 we learnt about the 12 days of Christmas, we sang carols, we reflected on the magi, ate Christmas cake and learnt how to make our own gift tags.
Who is God? Incarnate God - Jesus. Fulfilling the plan of salvation, for everyone. Jesus becoming human. Reaching out to those who are "not of the fold." The father of Jesus, who wants to reach a wide range of people, through horoscopes and peace labyrinths. A God who makes announcements, who created stars, who planted dreams and visions into people and continues to do so. God is achieving this by people who are obedient to the message of these visions. God is a truth not a decoration, bringing people hope, by giving us Jesus so that we can have eternal life. Able to use all types of people. Shaking people's perceptions of what is appropriate or inappropriate as a form of worship. Helping us when we get stuck. Hearing, preaching his word and being challenged on the fundamental beliefs we hold. God is vitally interested in humans. God is calling all sorts of people, all sorts of ways eg visions, extraordinary ways, with and without the help of people. He is father of Jesus. Using us to tell the message of hope we have because Jesus was born. Uses the most likely people to achieve things. Doesn't always work in ways we expect.
Who are we? Human like Jesus. Going to heaven. Following God's roadmap (not a baked bean tin!). We are seekers. We are servants. We are potentially creative. Someone who still seeks Jesus. Growing in relationship with him. We are going to Bethlehem and the New Jerusalem, continuing the journey with him. Part of the story.Jesus seekers. Stop, listen, go. We are very different and have very different ways of reaching God. Walking a hard journey. Trying to stay on the path. GROWing. Questioning the unfamiliar. Have expectations (limited). A person least likely in human terms to have any skills God can use, but most likely in God terms. We are going on a journey -in the opposite direction to what my horoscope would have me believe. Is the getting there that important or progressing and staying on the right path on my journey! The journey is the destination.
How then should we live out our lives? Keep walking. To reach out to a wide range of people. Showing people the love of Jesus (caring, hugging the unhugged, being willing to listen, unconditionally loving people). Using our skills to seek and serve God. Read the stars. Use our gifts. Listen to our conscience. Generously, expectantly, continue to look and seek. Peacefully. Hopefully. Expecting God to work in the unexpected. Matthew 22:2-14.
Who is God? Incarnate God - Jesus. Fulfilling the plan of salvation, for everyone. Jesus becoming human. Reaching out to those who are "not of the fold." The father of Jesus, who wants to reach a wide range of people, through horoscopes and peace labyrinths. A God who makes announcements, who created stars, who planted dreams and visions into people and continues to do so. God is achieving this by people who are obedient to the message of these visions. God is a truth not a decoration, bringing people hope, by giving us Jesus so that we can have eternal life. Able to use all types of people. Shaking people's perceptions of what is appropriate or inappropriate as a form of worship. Helping us when we get stuck. Hearing, preaching his word and being challenged on the fundamental beliefs we hold. God is vitally interested in humans. God is calling all sorts of people, all sorts of ways eg visions, extraordinary ways, with and without the help of people. He is father of Jesus. Using us to tell the message of hope we have because Jesus was born. Uses the most likely people to achieve things. Doesn't always work in ways we expect.
Who are we? Human like Jesus. Going to heaven. Following God's roadmap (not a baked bean tin!). We are seekers. We are servants. We are potentially creative. Someone who still seeks Jesus. Growing in relationship with him. We are going to Bethlehem and the New Jerusalem, continuing the journey with him. Part of the story.Jesus seekers. Stop, listen, go. We are very different and have very different ways of reaching God. Walking a hard journey. Trying to stay on the path. GROWing. Questioning the unfamiliar. Have expectations (limited). A person least likely in human terms to have any skills God can use, but most likely in God terms. We are going on a journey -in the opposite direction to what my horoscope would have me believe. Is the getting there that important or progressing and staying on the right path on my journey! The journey is the destination.
How then should we live out our lives? Keep walking. To reach out to a wide range of people. Showing people the love of Jesus (caring, hugging the unhugged, being willing to listen, unconditionally loving people). Using our skills to seek and serve God. Read the stars. Use our gifts. Listen to our conscience. Generously, expectantly, continue to look and seek. Peacefully. Hopefully. Expecting God to work in the unexpected. Matthew 22:2-14.
Thursday, December 13, 2007
Grow in Christmas cheer week 1
Who is God? Creator. The same – still cares. God is personally interested in everyone. Our Saviour. Fulfills long-term promises that may have been forgotten. Our father. God of the lonely and hurting, poor, giving hope to everyone – not just the “South islanders”. The light of the world. God is – justice – hope – mercy – love – peace – joy). He is achieving these things through Hope International, us and would use Freeset agencies, Oxfam, Trade Aid, Tearfund Opawa Baptist
What is God doing in the world? God is in us, using us to spread the word. Allowing people to care for others with real needs through different agencies. Opening our eyes to what is around us. Bringing people to Himself. Making Himself known. Drawing all people together, bringing comfort to the elderly. Working through us. Making it better. Making contact with us.
How is God achieving this? The Gospel story is the same now as it was in N.T. times. Allowing people to see Him through other’s obedience eg Christmas journey, Ballentynes Window, Christmas Float. Planting compassion in people’s hearts so they see the needs of others. Through His word and people. Being obedient to the Holy Spirits leading. Making us aware of poor, through organizations, through church, through Santa parade/peace Labyrinth. Through global culture and communication. Blogging, txt, internet, travel, teaching & preaching. By helping people out. Praying Through Jesus being born at Christmas so he could come (be re-born) on Christmas Day
Who am I? A student. We are women with a God given purpose. Special to God and he has chosen us/me. Somebody important to God. Somebody that God can work through. The chosen. Special. Loved, part of the promise – rich in resources to be shared with others, grateful for our fresh water! God’s instrument in his plan. Loved by God – worth being earth-resided.
Where am I going? To the land to live sustainably – to polytech – probably then heaven hopefully.We are anticipating the birth. Everyone is headed into eternity – one way or another. After life home. Towards Christmas
How am I supposed to get there? Sell my house. Through the Holy Spirit. Patiently – not always easy. Stillness (at least 5mins!). Walk. Visit elderly. With joy and thankfulness. Listening to His leading. Holy and pleasing to Him in all we do and say. Reading God’s word, acting on it. Having a personal relationship with our Creator. Be faithful. Walk. To look forward to God’s promises. To keep growing, giving, remembering the promises. Being faithful, spending time with God. By preparing spiritually as well as practically
How then should we live out our lives? Grow old with God! In a daily relationship with Him. In Celebration of what He has done in our lives. The more you read, the more you learn, the more you trust. Helping people. As good people who help others. Eat, drink, and exercise. Pray believe in God. Live, give, remember and look forward. Gratefully (emotion not cheese!) Generously!
What is God doing in the world? God is in us, using us to spread the word. Allowing people to care for others with real needs through different agencies. Opening our eyes to what is around us. Bringing people to Himself. Making Himself known. Drawing all people together, bringing comfort to the elderly. Working through us. Making it better. Making contact with us.
How is God achieving this? The Gospel story is the same now as it was in N.T. times. Allowing people to see Him through other’s obedience eg Christmas journey, Ballentynes Window, Christmas Float. Planting compassion in people’s hearts so they see the needs of others. Through His word and people. Being obedient to the Holy Spirits leading. Making us aware of poor, through organizations, through church, through Santa parade/peace Labyrinth. Through global culture and communication. Blogging, txt, internet, travel, teaching & preaching. By helping people out. Praying Through Jesus being born at Christmas so he could come (be re-born) on Christmas Day
Who am I? A student. We are women with a God given purpose. Special to God and he has chosen us/me. Somebody important to God. Somebody that God can work through. The chosen. Special. Loved, part of the promise – rich in resources to be shared with others, grateful for our fresh water! God’s instrument in his plan. Loved by God – worth being earth-resided.
Where am I going? To the land to live sustainably – to polytech – probably then heaven hopefully.We are anticipating the birth. Everyone is headed into eternity – one way or another. After life home. Towards Christmas
How am I supposed to get there? Sell my house. Through the Holy Spirit. Patiently – not always easy. Stillness (at least 5mins!). Walk. Visit elderly. With joy and thankfulness. Listening to His leading. Holy and pleasing to Him in all we do and say. Reading God’s word, acting on it. Having a personal relationship with our Creator. Be faithful. Walk. To look forward to God’s promises. To keep growing, giving, remembering the promises. Being faithful, spending time with God. By preparing spiritually as well as practically
How then should we live out our lives? Grow old with God! In a daily relationship with Him. In Celebration of what He has done in our lives. The more you read, the more you learn, the more you trust. Helping people. As good people who help others. Eat, drink, and exercise. Pray believe in God. Live, give, remember and look forward. Gratefully (emotion not cheese!) Generously!
Saturday, November 24, 2007
Grow through gardening week 2: Why hang gardens in hard places (like Babylon, or urban parks today)?
Grow through gardening 2 centred around God's call to Jeremiah to plant gardens in a hard place, a place of exile. We interviewed a gardener. We enjoyed a video clip from re(bar), who made a garden in an urban park. We looked at the 10 worst gardens in our city.
Who is God? Gardener, sprinkler, soil, grower, hope in hard times. Ultimate Gardener. Creator/Designer. Father, Son & Holy Spirit, sustainer, makes good thing happen. Giver of gifts – self seeding plant in the wrong place can be moved and tended.
What is God doing in the world? Active with non-christian & Christians, sustaining. Loving us – Making people become Christians. Developing His kingdom by allowing seeds/persons/groups. ie church to grow in different types of places. Giving hope. Gardener when we are in hard places. Helps us grow, gives us what we need. Sometimes slowly
How is God achieving this? Restores and renewing through us. And through the Holy Spirit. Through Youtube. Gives us the seeds/word – we have to nuture – tend – water. Listen to God's word/read the bible. Gifts to teach.
Who am I? Loved by God. A garden and a gardener. A sower of God’s seeds ie hope. Making the best of the situation. A bulb, with God’s help to become plant he wants us to be. Not a gardener – am a gardener. I’m Grace.
Where am I going? I am going to grow, maybe even in hard places. To those garden’s that are lacking God’s seed. You’re in – acceptance that God ultimately has a plan and a purpose for each of us.
How am I supposed to get there? Listen to the master gardener. Following the hope/seed – Word of God – plantings. Not for us to understand the situation – have the right to question God – even complain!
How then should we live out our lives? Making the most of the things we have. Live to grow, not just survive (not die!). Live to grow and give God pleasure. Willingness to grow through seasons. Even in times of little growth or encouragement. To feel "rooted" we can go where we feel comfortable for some garden for some iceskating.
Who is God? Gardener, sprinkler, soil, grower, hope in hard times. Ultimate Gardener. Creator/Designer. Father, Son & Holy Spirit, sustainer, makes good thing happen. Giver of gifts – self seeding plant in the wrong place can be moved and tended.
What is God doing in the world? Active with non-christian & Christians, sustaining. Loving us – Making people become Christians. Developing His kingdom by allowing seeds/persons/groups. ie church to grow in different types of places. Giving hope. Gardener when we are in hard places. Helps us grow, gives us what we need. Sometimes slowly
How is God achieving this? Restores and renewing through us. And through the Holy Spirit. Through Youtube. Gives us the seeds/word – we have to nuture – tend – water. Listen to God's word/read the bible. Gifts to teach.
Who am I? Loved by God. A garden and a gardener. A sower of God’s seeds ie hope. Making the best of the situation. A bulb, with God’s help to become plant he wants us to be. Not a gardener – am a gardener. I’m Grace.
Where am I going? I am going to grow, maybe even in hard places. To those garden’s that are lacking God’s seed. You’re in – acceptance that God ultimately has a plan and a purpose for each of us.
How am I supposed to get there? Listen to the master gardener. Following the hope/seed – Word of God – plantings. Not for us to understand the situation – have the right to question God – even complain!
How then should we live out our lives? Making the most of the things we have. Live to grow, not just survive (not die!). Live to grow and give God pleasure. Willingness to grow through seasons. Even in times of little growth or encouragement. To feel "rooted" we can go where we feel comfortable for some garden for some iceskating.
Wednesday, November 14, 2007
Grow through gardening week 1: Why does the Bible start with a garden?
Input included a scene from Over the Hedge where the animals meet "the hedge", a history of gardens in ancient times, guessing Opawa gardens, an interview with a flower grower, and a Biblical reflection on Genesis 2.
In table groups, people were then invited to consider:
As you listened tonight: Who is God? Caring overseer who wants to know what’s going on, like a gardener, the ultimate gardener/creator, a gardener that plants people into life, delighting in creating things for use as well as pleasure, a grower, the creator and plantet, the greatest gardener, the creator of the gardens
As you listened tonight: What is God doing in the world? Reigning, cultivating, people, pruning people, fertilizing, weeding, watching over us and hears who we are, watering, tending, shining sun, bringing joy, planting people, wanting to connect with us, ie "talking in the garden." You need to know what you are planting so the plant can fulfill its purpose. Opening doors. Planting His seeds of trust – pruning – fertilizing – testing – experimenting and His seeds of life, gardening.
HAs you listened tonight: How is God achieving this? Helping us to grow. Holidays, friends – different abilities – through creation itself – with great care and dedication. Allows us to grow amongst the weeds, providing an environment where we and things can grow. Romans 8; You need to know the plant to know optimum conditions for planting. Through people listening and acting. Getting people to think about ecology – growing their own food – becoming more self-sufficent – less farms – more food – spring clean – given out vege plants. Planting, pruning, weeding
As you listened tonight: Who are we? a garden fork – aerate the soil, loosen soil, so weeds can be pulled out, sulphate of potash – fertilizer – encouragement of growth. Also gardeners –the finest mudcake – future gardeners. Me a mudcake? A fertile soil or barren field. Matt Currie. We are (I am) gardener/s. A seed (flower, a weed, a thorn.
As you listened tonight: Where am I going? Visiting others’ gardens. Growing and changing. To bloom – to grow into best we can be (1st Cor 15). To Jesus. Hopefully towards growth. Gardeners plant in nice neat rows but life isn’t like that. To school and cookie time. Am going to: get supplies – weed – water – sow. Growing up.
As you listened tonight: How am I supposed to get there? Being sensitive by knowing where were needed. Planted. Don’t fight the gardener. By following Jesus. Thru being tendered, being careful about the inputs in my life. Until it flowers you don’t know if it stays true to type or if it has mutated. In my turbocharged pocket rocket. Nutrients, water, sun, photosynthesis and by being pruned.
As you listened tonight: how then should we live out our lives?? As a vine – being willing to be pruned, tended to nourished, watered and supported – willing to change direction if need be. Fruitfully. Gardening for living – we are not doing it! Difference between a grower and a gardener. Humbly, respectfully, happily, loving others. By allowing God the planter, pruner, weeder, to plant seeds, get rid of weeds, supply our needs so we can do good deeds. Grow through gardening.
In table groups, people were then invited to consider:
As you listened tonight: Who is God? Caring overseer who wants to know what’s going on, like a gardener, the ultimate gardener/creator, a gardener that plants people into life, delighting in creating things for use as well as pleasure, a grower, the creator and plantet, the greatest gardener, the creator of the gardens
As you listened tonight: What is God doing in the world? Reigning, cultivating, people, pruning people, fertilizing, weeding, watching over us and hears who we are, watering, tending, shining sun, bringing joy, planting people, wanting to connect with us, ie "talking in the garden." You need to know what you are planting so the plant can fulfill its purpose. Opening doors. Planting His seeds of trust – pruning – fertilizing – testing – experimenting and His seeds of life, gardening.
HAs you listened tonight: How is God achieving this? Helping us to grow. Holidays, friends – different abilities – through creation itself – with great care and dedication. Allows us to grow amongst the weeds, providing an environment where we and things can grow. Romans 8; You need to know the plant to know optimum conditions for planting. Through people listening and acting. Getting people to think about ecology – growing their own food – becoming more self-sufficent – less farms – more food – spring clean – given out vege plants. Planting, pruning, weeding
As you listened tonight: Who are we? a garden fork – aerate the soil, loosen soil, so weeds can be pulled out, sulphate of potash – fertilizer – encouragement of growth. Also gardeners –the finest mudcake – future gardeners. Me a mudcake? A fertile soil or barren field. Matt Currie. We are (I am) gardener/s. A seed (flower, a weed, a thorn.
As you listened tonight: Where am I going? Visiting others’ gardens. Growing and changing. To bloom – to grow into best we can be (1st Cor 15). To Jesus. Hopefully towards growth. Gardeners plant in nice neat rows but life isn’t like that. To school and cookie time. Am going to: get supplies – weed – water – sow. Growing up.
As you listened tonight: How am I supposed to get there? Being sensitive by knowing where were needed. Planted. Don’t fight the gardener. By following Jesus. Thru being tendered, being careful about the inputs in my life. Until it flowers you don’t know if it stays true to type or if it has mutated. In my turbocharged pocket rocket. Nutrients, water, sun, photosynthesis and by being pruned.
As you listened tonight: how then should we live out our lives?? As a vine – being willing to be pruned, tended to nourished, watered and supported – willing to change direction if need be. Fruitfully. Gardening for living – we are not doing it! Difference between a grower and a gardener. Humbly, respectfully, happily, loving others. By allowing God the planter, pruner, weeder, to plant seeds, get rid of weeds, supply our needs so we can do good deeds. Grow through gardening.
Saturday, October 20, 2007
What is grow?
We learn in different ways. Some by watching, others by reading, more by hearing, less by writing.
Grow thru gardening: Nov 11, 18, 25
Grow in Christmas cheer: Dec 9, 16, 23
Grow and grandparenting: February 10, 17, 24
Grow aims to feed the whole person: mouths and minds, hands and hearts, eyes and ears.
In other words, the grow menu includes
light food
café style
live interviews
video clips
top 10
visual histories
biblical wisdom
doing
music, live and looped
and changes every 3 weeks.
7-8:10 pm, Sundays, Opawa Baptist Church, cnr Hastings St East and Wilsons Road.
Grow thru gardening: Nov 11, 18, 25
Grow in Christmas cheer: Dec 9, 16, 23
Grow and grandparenting: February 10, 17, 24
Grow aims to feed the whole person: mouths and minds, hands and hearts, eyes and ears.
In other words, the grow menu includes
light food
café style
live interviews
video clips
top 10
visual histories
biblical wisdom
doing
music, live and looped
and changes every 3 weeks.
7-8:10 pm, Sundays, Opawa Baptist Church, cnr Hastings St East and Wilsons Road.
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